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		<title>Comment on Then and now by Crystal Rodli</title>
		<link>http://faithinireland.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/then-and-now/#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crystal Rodli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 01:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing that would have made this better is if everyone had on white blouses and shorts in the recent 10k as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that would have made this better is if everyone had on white blouses and shorts in the recent 10k as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Then and now by Ana Mullan</title>
		<link>http://faithinireland.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/then-and-now/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ana Mullan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic! Well done in both occasions!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic! Well done in both occasions!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by Michael Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Snow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My apologies, I see that I pasted the same link twice. This is the link for Spurgeon on war
and Christians  http://spurgeonwarquotes.wordpress.com/

I did not note a contact link here; I have one at http://mikesnow.org or I think that this comment will show you my email address.

The short book on the Christmas truce has only a few incidental comments regarding WWI preparing the seedbed for a Hitler. But you might find them food for further thought.

I have Hauerwas new book and look forward to reading it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies, I see that I pasted the same link twice. This is the link for Spurgeon on war<br />
and Christians  <a href="http://spurgeonwarquotes.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://spurgeonwarquotes.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>I did not note a contact link here; I have one at <a href="http://mikesnow.org" rel="nofollow">http://mikesnow.org</a> or I think that this comment will show you my email address.</p>
<p>The short book on the Christmas truce has only a few incidental comments regarding WWI preparing the seedbed for a Hitler. But you might find them food for further thought.</p>
<p>I have Hauerwas new book and look forward to reading it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by PatrickM</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 07:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks very much Michael. I&#039;ll read Cadoux and Spurgeon with interest - didn&#039;t know that about Spurgeon and Moody. And would be glad of your pdf.
On my list are Hauerwas The Peaceable Kingdom and just in is his recent book War and the American Difference. Richard Hays, The Moral Vision of the NT. And some Yoder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks very much Michael. I&#8217;ll read Cadoux and Spurgeon with interest &#8211; didn&#8217;t know that about Spurgeon and Moody. And would be glad of your pdf.<br />
On my list are Hauerwas The Peaceable Kingdom and just in is his recent book War and the American Difference. Richard Hays, The Moral Vision of the NT. And some Yoder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by Michael Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Snow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 03:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I see a couple typos too late, the worst is &quot;there would not have been a WWII&quot; I meant WWI.of which I was writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I see a couple typos too late, the worst is &#8220;there would not have been a WWII&#8221; I meant WWI.of which I was writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by Michael Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Snow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 03:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;All Christians, whether just war or pacifists, should surely be passionate supporters of peacemaking and reconciliation – for that is the explicit and unambiguous calling and identity of the body of Christ.&quot;
Amen. That is one point, perhaps best as the first point, that should always be clearly made.

The first book that John Howard Yoder recommended to me was Cadoux&#039;s classic, free online, linked here: http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/

Most Christians are unaware that D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon were pacifists. Spurgeon spoke out unambiguously against Christians bearing arms.
http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/

The question of the role of the Christian and the role of government is best brought into focus by reading Romans 12 and 13 in context, keeping clearly in mind the sovereignty of 
God. http://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/romans-13-in-context/

One inevitable question is always, &quot;What about Hitler?&quot; Of course, there were many who resisted without bearing arms, e.g. Corrie Ten Boom. But the point that I try to make is that l WWI prepared the soil for the rise of Hitler with its unmerciful treaty terms. And, of course, If Christians had refused to kill their fellow Christians, there would not have been a WWII. Without Star Wars there is no Return of the Jedi. (which does not mean &#039;no more wars&#039; but the seedbed for Hitler would not have been prepared. (I deal briefly with this with a few remarks in my book on the Christmas truce of WWI. Would be glad to send you the pdf.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All Christians, whether just war or pacifists, should surely be passionate supporters of peacemaking and reconciliation – for that is the explicit and unambiguous calling and identity of the body of Christ.&#8221;<br />
Amen. That is one point, perhaps best as the first point, that should always be clearly made.</p>
<p>The first book that John Howard Yoder recommended to me was Cadoux&#8217;s classic, free online, linked here: <a href="http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/" rel="nofollow">http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/</a></p>
<p>Most Christians are unaware that D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon were pacifists. Spurgeon spoke out unambiguously against Christians bearing arms.<br />
<a href="http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/" rel="nofollow">http://christianpacifismblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/early-christians-and-the-sword/</a></p>
<p>The question of the role of the Christian and the role of government is best brought into focus by reading Romans 12 and 13 in context, keeping clearly in mind the sovereignty of<br />
God. <a href="http://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/romans-13-in-context/" rel="nofollow">http://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/romans-13-in-context/</a></p>
<p>One inevitable question is always, &#8220;What about Hitler?&#8221; Of course, there were many who resisted without bearing arms, e.g. Corrie Ten Boom. But the point that I try to make is that l WWI prepared the soil for the rise of Hitler with its unmerciful treaty terms. And, of course, If Christians had refused to kill their fellow Christians, there would not have been a WWII. Without Star Wars there is no Return of the Jedi. (which does not mean &#8216;no more wars&#8217; but the seedbed for Hitler would not have been prepared. (I deal briefly with this with a few remarks in my book on the Christmas truce of WWI. Would be glad to send you the pdf.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by PatrickM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PatrickM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 17:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks Holger, always good to hear from you.

I&#039;m on the same page as you in terms of Jesus&#039; teaching.

And when you say &quot;I admit that there can be situations of moral dilemma where both – violent resistance and non-violent passivity – may seem wrong.&quot; 

Using violence is very difficult, however much just war theorists try, to square with Jesus&#039; teaching on non-violence within the kingdom of God. 

Yet, should a pacifist be willing to put aside his/her own conscience for the good of others in danger of being killed by violent men? Is that ultimately an imperfect act, but one which is just and morally defensible? Or is it a failure of faith to trust in God and follow Jesus&#039; way of weakness and apparent foolishness all the way to the cross? 

All Christians, whether just war or pacifists, should surely be passionate supporters of peacemaking and reconciliation - for that is the explicit and unambiguous calling and identity of the body of Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Holger, always good to hear from you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the same page as you in terms of Jesus&#8217; teaching.</p>
<p>And when you say &#8220;I admit that there can be situations of moral dilemma where both – violent resistance and non-violent passivity – may seem wrong.&#8221; </p>
<p>Using violence is very difficult, however much just war theorists try, to square with Jesus&#8217; teaching on non-violence within the kingdom of God. </p>
<p>Yet, should a pacifist be willing to put aside his/her own conscience for the good of others in danger of being killed by violent men? Is that ultimately an imperfect act, but one which is just and morally defensible? Or is it a failure of faith to trust in God and follow Jesus&#8217; way of weakness and apparent foolishness all the way to the cross? </p>
<p>All Christians, whether just war or pacifists, should surely be passionate supporters of peacemaking and reconciliation &#8211; for that is the explicit and unambiguous calling and identity of the body of Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on Pacifism by Holger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, I do not have any recommondations for good books concerning that matter - but would be very interested in some hints, too! It is without doubt a very relevant question, which you raise here.

Personally I am deeply convinced that followers of Christ are called to non-violence and pacifism. This must be the guiding principle - in private and public life. For me this is very clear from Jesus&#039; teaching and example. I admit that there can be situations of moral dilemma where both - violent resistance and non-violent passivity - may seem wrong. But I guess there are always forms of non-violent resistance, too - which of course often need a lot of courage and faith, because they cost a lot and have - at least from a human perspectice - very little chance to change anything.  

In international politics there are the principles of sovereignty and non-interference and the possibilty to follow a policy of neutrality which together could have avoided many wars in my view - if more states were ready to let go of imperialist ambitions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I do not have any recommondations for good books concerning that matter &#8211; but would be very interested in some hints, too! It is without doubt a very relevant question, which you raise here.</p>
<p>Personally I am deeply convinced that followers of Christ are called to non-violence and pacifism. This must be the guiding principle &#8211; in private and public life. For me this is very clear from Jesus&#8217; teaching and example. I admit that there can be situations of moral dilemma where both &#8211; violent resistance and non-violent passivity &#8211; may seem wrong. But I guess there are always forms of non-violent resistance, too &#8211; which of course often need a lot of courage and faith, because they cost a lot and have &#8211; at least from a human perspectice &#8211; very little chance to change anything.  </p>
<p>In international politics there are the principles of sovereignty and non-interference and the possibilty to follow a policy of neutrality which together could have avoided many wars in my view &#8211; if more states were ready to let go of imperialist ambitions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Pope Francis by anamullan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anamullan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick, my observation is, that what Pope Francis is saying comes out of his training as a Jesuit, which has a very strong emphasis on Jesus. I learned all of this only in the last year or so. The Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius are all based on gospel readings and encounters with Jesus,and he wrote those while recovering from a battle injury, the only two things that he had to read were  the gospels and and another book on saints. So he worked through the gospels and made these exercises like a discipleship course for the future followers. Today those exercises are used by some evangelicals. 
So I wouldn&#039;t say that his understanding of Jesus, or the wording that he uses come  from the evangelical influence but more from his own rule of life. It is a language that I heard a lot during the last year in Manresa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, my observation is, that what Pope Francis is saying comes out of his training as a Jesuit, which has a very strong emphasis on Jesus. I learned all of this only in the last year or so. The Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius are all based on gospel readings and encounters with Jesus,and he wrote those while recovering from a battle injury, the only two things that he had to read were  the gospels and and another book on saints. So he worked through the gospels and made these exercises like a discipleship course for the future followers. Today those exercises are used by some evangelicals.<br />
So I wouldn&#8217;t say that his understanding of Jesus, or the wording that he uses come  from the evangelical influence but more from his own rule of life. It is a language that I heard a lot during the last year in Manresa.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Pope Francis by PatrickM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PatrickM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ana. Certainly a strong overlap with a traditional evangelical emphasis on personal faith with tradition useful but in a supportive role. 
Catholicism can take different expressions in different contexts. You&#039;d know a lot more about this than me - how I wonder has the context of Argentina and the growth of evangelicalism impacted Catholicism there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ana. Certainly a strong overlap with a traditional evangelical emphasis on personal faith with tradition useful but in a supportive role.<br />
Catholicism can take different expressions in different contexts. You&#8217;d know a lot more about this than me &#8211; how I wonder has the context of Argentina and the growth of evangelicalism impacted Catholicism there?</p>
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